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Instructions

Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination.

DYK criteria

Official criteria: DYK rules and additional guidelines
Unofficial Guide: Learning DYK

How to list a new nomination

For a simplified version of these instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK.

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

  1. New Article, self nom: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | status=new | author=}}
  2. Expansion, self nom: {{subst:NewDYKnom| article= | hook=... that ? | status=expanded | author= | nominator= }}
  3. New Article by someone else: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | status=new | author= | nominator=}}
  4. Nom with image: {{subst:NewDYKnom|article=|hook=... that ?|status=|author=|nominator=|image=|rollover=|alttext=}}
    To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook: |article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)
    To include more than one author: |author2= |author3= | (etc)
    To include alternate hooks: |ALT1= |ALT2= | (etc)
    To add a comment: |comment=

Do not wikilink the article title, or the author and nominator username fields; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
Do not list a "nominator" if it is a self nom; leave that field blank.
Do not add a section heading if you are using the template; the template will add one for you.
Do not include a signature (~~~~) after the template.
Do not use non-free images in your hook suggestion.
Do wikilink words in the hook, especially the article title.

An example of how to use the template is given below. Don't forget to fill out the rollover text, so people know what the image is of! Full details are at {{NewDYKnom}}:

{{subst:NewDYKnom
 | article    = Example
 | status     = new<!--(or)  expanded-->
 | hook       = ... that this [[article]] is an  '''[[example]]''' ''(pictured)''?
 | author     = User
 | nominator  =
 | image      = Example.png
 | rollover   = An example image
 | alttext    = Description of the image
 | comment    =
}}
  • Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
  • When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
  • Please check back for comments on your nomination. Responding to reasonable objections will help ensure that your article is listed.
  • If you nominate someone else's article, you can use {{subst:DYKNom}} to notify them. Usage: {{subst:DYKNom|Article name}}

How to review a nomination

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, or may suggest new hooks.

If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or note that there is an issue with the article or hook, please use the following symbols to point the issues out:

Symbol Code DYK Ready? Description
Symbol confirmed.svg {{subst:DYKtick}} Yes No problems, ready for DYK
Pictogram voting keep.svg {{subst:DYKtickAGF}} Yes Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith
Symbol question.svg {{subst:DYK?}} Query DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
Symbol possible vote.svg {{subst:DYK?no}} Maybe DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
Symbol delete vote.svg {{subst:DYKno}} No Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible

Please consider using {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page, in case they do not notice that there is an issue.

Backlogged?

This page often seems to be backlogged. If the DYK template has not been updated for substantially more than 6 hours, it may be useful to attract the attention of one of the administrators who regularly update the template. See the page Wikipedia:Did you know/Admins for a list of administrators who have volunteered to help with this project.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the hook you submitted to this page, in most cases it means your article has been approved and is in the queue for display on the main page. You can check whether your hook has been moved to the queue by reviewing the queue listings.

If your hook is not in the queue or already on the main page, it has probably been deleted. Deletion occurs if the hook is more than about eight days old and has unresolved issues for which any discussion has gone stale. If you think your hook has been unfairly deleted, you can query its deletion on the discussion page, but as a general rule deleted hooks will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on March 20

Republican Socialist Party

Petr Zenkl

Edithvale-Seaford Wetlands

Yalbugha Mosque

  • ... that the Yalbugha Mosque, built in 1264 by Mamluk princes, was described as one of the most famous, influential and beautiful mosques in Damascus, Syria? Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 09:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Welgelegen, Heerenveen

A Dutch smock mill on a tall brick base


FV103 Spartan

A small tracked armoured personnel carrier with black and green camouflage pattern, parked on a paved surface. Other tanks and a building are in the background.


High Desert (Oregon)

no

5x expanded by Orygun (talk). Nominated by Orygun (talk) at 02:54, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

L'Affranchissement

German submarine U-771

Articles created/expanded on March 19

Erythrina velutina

A few spiny branches with developing flowers on them. In the  middle are five or more blowing flowers; they have an orange sac in the  middle, surrounded by orange flower leaves, with a multitude of red  strips on top.

Marcus Larson

  • ... that Marcus Larson, a highly successful 19th-century painter from Sweden, worked for a saddle maker before becoming an artist? Created by Theleftorium (talk). Nominated by Theleftorium (talk) at 21:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

List of international cricket centuries by Viv Richards

A black skinned man with a bald head and black goatee beard. He is wearing a light blue shirt with the top buttons undone, showing a white top underneath.
  • No link to the article in the hook! I must be there in bold. Shivashree Â· talk 03:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Wow, I wasn't tired at all when I did this, was I? No wonder the words were swimming in front of my eyes when I tried to read my book afterwards! Fixed. Harrias (talk) 12:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Adenanthos cuneatus

Adenanthos cuneatus prostrate form.jpg

  • ... that Adenanthos cuneatus has been called Sweat Bush, from the alleged propensity of horses to break out in a sweat after eating it?
  • Comment: looking for an image
    • Not any more yer not. Hesperian 14:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Created by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 20:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Feature-oriented domain analysis

Need Your Love So Bad

Ananda Temple

Ananda Temple Bagan.jpg

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good work over all. Expansion verified, more than x10. Reference checked from Google books. Ready to go. Shivashree Â· talk 04:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Ananda-Bagan-Myanmar-38-gje.jpg
  • Thanks. Will you please consider an alternate img of Buddha (pictured) from the article to be part of the hook?--Nvvchar (talk) 11:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

The Master of Game


Blazed Alder Creek

  • ... that Blazed Alder Creek, which supplies part of the drinking water for Portland, Oregon, was named for a 24-inch (61 cm) blazed (marked) alder tree used as a benchmark for early watershed surveys? Created by Finetooth (talk). Self nom at 17:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Parallel compression

  • Comment: For some reason, DYK check returns the result that this article was not expanded 5x in the last 10 days. I just expanded it from a 629-character stub to 4164 characters of readable prose—an expansion of 6.6x.

5x expanded by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 17:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Ah, looks like DYK check has straightened itself out—it now accepts the expansion. Binksternet (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Green glazed pottery of Atzompa, Santa María Atzompa

  • Comment: Green glazed pottery of Atzompa is a new article from 18 March. Santa María Atzompa is 5x expanded

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 15:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Union Avenue Historic Commercial District

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Needs wikilinks in the hook, but before anyone checks it's much too old: mostly expanded months ago.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 15:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I have corrected the no wikilinks issue. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Laptodora

Neville McNamara

Outdoor half portrait of grinning man in light-coloured uniform with pilot's wings on left pocket, wearing peaked cap

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Online ref confirms hook. Length and date okay. Image was taken in Australia before 1955 so it is public domain. I have changed the status from stub to start. Ready to go! Binksternet (talk) 16:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Domain engineering

Eyewall replacement cycle

American Civil War medicine

  • Someone might be able to make that more interesting, feel free to do so. —Charles Edward (Talk | Contribs) 00:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

It's A Crime, Mr. Collins

Articles created/expanded on March 18

Silent speech interface

Orris S. Ferry

Picture of Orris S. Ferry

Tryon's raid

Rapid Lake, Quebec

Lacey Brown

Picture of Megan Joy (formerly Corkrey)

We just need to wait till the debate closes and then we can re-assess if the community views it as a keep at AFD. Stay tuned Ottawa4ever (talk) 22:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


Rugby-Bundesliga 2009–10

Konstantin Bozveliev

Konstantin Bozveliev

Bonnie McCarroll

The Jawa Report

Firmat

  • Symbol possible vote.svg No 5x expansion since Oct. 2008, no 1500 characters of prose. Certainly a city of this size should have plenty of info to expand the article far beyond the stub it is now... -- P 1 9 9 â€¢ TALK 14:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Cape Sparrow

Rotund little bird with a thick bill and bright markings

5x expanded by Innotata (talk). Self nom at 21:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Verified, but the picture is not a very attractive one and I suggest you substitute one of the others. Gatoclass (talk) 09:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Passer melanurus (2 males).jpg

This is probably the best. I've added it in the infobox, and it is a quality picture on the commons. Two images of the female are usable, and I may make some usable crops. —innotata (Talk â€¢ Contribs) 14:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I thought the one with the two sparrows was one of the better images in the gallery. Gatoclass (talk) 11:35, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Wilbrahams Cricket Club

  • ...that Wilbrahams Cricket Club finished in 8th position in the Cambridgeshire Cricket Association Senior Div 1 after previously securing 3 successive promotions? Created by BurtonH0123 (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment: Only 876 characters of readable prose and subject appears to fail the notability guideline for cricket clubs at WP:CRIN. See this discussion. â€“ ukexpat (talk) 21:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment: Article now PRODded. â€“ ukexpat (talk) 02:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Portrait of Angel Fernandez de Soto

Hexis Racing

A Hexis Racing Aston Martin DBRS9


The Natural Order

  • Symbol confirmed.svg The hooks are kind of "meh", but I suppose they're all right. I couldn't really find anything better in the article. Out of the two you gave here, I prefer ALT1. NW (Talk) 01:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Volta Laboratory and Bureau

The stairs and front entrance to an impressive Renessaince Revial era institutional building, with brass plaques on both sides of the portico.
The 1893 Volta Bureau building in Washington, D.C.
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Nice additions, but no 5-fold expansion in last 5 days (gradual expansion since Dec. 2009). -- P 1 9 9 â€¢ TALK 14:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

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Sexual Healing (South Park)

A man wearing a black suit jacket and gray tie smiles as he speaks into a microphone.

    • If we base the expansion off of the revision prior to your first edit, it's not quite a fivefold expansion (needs 13585 B of prose). However, since the article was only created on March 15, it still qualifies as new. Symbol confirmed.svg Date, size, and hook verified. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


Gandan Sumtseling Monastery

Gandan Sumtseling Monastery.jpg

  • Symbol confirmed.svg - I checked the bit about the fifth dalai lama so

... that the Fifth Dalai Lama established the Gandan Sumtseling Monastery (pictured) in Zhongdian, Yunnan in China in 1679? Victuallers (talk) 12:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Utility room

  • This is problematic. This is a paid-access citation but I would expect it to be an article about utility rooms becoming more popular than laundry rooms, not about language change as the Wikipedia article seems to claim. Utility rooms (by that name) were a common feature of houses where I grew up in Middle America. Rmhermen (talk) 14:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC) .... and if I wanted etymology I think I'd go to wiktionary as the article advertises. Its an unusual subject for an encyclopedia Victuallers (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
My apologies if I was confused about the rules of DYK. I followed this which is why I nominated it. Anyway please let me know if i missed anything from the rules. I'd sure gladly learn from my misses, if any. --TitanOne (talk) 09:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

John Toner

  • Article moved from userspace on March 18. –Grondemar 04:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Jacob Kamm

  • ... that Jacob Kamm died in 1912, having been an "invalid" after being hit by a bicyclist in Portland, Oregon in 1907? 5x expanded by Tedder (talk). Self nom at 02:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
  • 5x expansion (354B to 2723B) tedder (talk) 02:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
...(alt) that steamboat and railway investor, Jacob Kamm, died five years after being hit by a cyclist? - Say who he is and don't include every detail? Victuallers (talk) 12:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Article says that he was born in 1823, and 75 years old in 1907? So, he was probably 84 when hit by a cyclist and died at 89. What's so remarkable about that? -- P 1 9 9 â€¢ TALK 14:26, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
  • He died because of being hit by a bicycle, which seems remarkable. tedder (talk) 02:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
  • It does not seem 'remarkable' to me that someone dies at the age of 89, some five years after being squished by a bicycle. More remarkable that he lived that long. However, please do not let my cynicism devalue this article's chances. Derek R Bullamore (talk) 02:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree, based on age. But it's the most notable thing I could really find on Kamm for the DYK. And pedestrian-bicyclist incidents aren't considered as dangerous as other activities, like under water basket freediving. tedder (talk) 03:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Button

  • ... that clothing buttons have been used to smuggle drugs (since the seventeenth century) and to house miniature working compasses (during World Wars I & II)? (or shorter version: "that clothing buttons have been used to house miniature working compasses and to smuggle drugs?") 5x expanded by TyrS (talk). Nominated by TyrS (talk) at 05:48, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 17

Perugia Papacy

Tomb of Pope Benedict XI


Portrait of an Unknown Woman

Ivan Kramskoi’s Portrait of an Unknown Woman

  • ... that Russian artist Ivan Kramskoi's 1883 Portrait of an Unknown Woman (pictured) caused a sensation when first exhibited, as critics assumed that the woman was of ill repute, and described her as "a coquette in a carriage" and "one of the offspring of big cities" ? Created by Ceoil (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg You have a couple of unreferenced paragraphs in there, including the statements about the woman possibly being the artist's lover, which really needs to be cited. Gatoclass (talk) 09:25, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


Walsh-Kaiser Company

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Couldn't confirm hook from source. Gatoclass (talk) 04:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Oh well, I'll change it then.
  • ALT1:...that after the original owner of the Walsh-Kaiser Company shipyard showed incompetence, a shipbuilding and a construction company were brought in to finish the job?

Pitcher (container)

Eleanor Roosevelt's water pitcher

  • Symbol possible vote.svg No 5-fold expansion since Feb. 27 (1301 x 5 = 6509). -- P 1 9 9 â€¢ TALK 14:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Article was expanded from 198B of Prose to 1681. Please check here. We're you pertaining to Page size? The rule says prose size. --TitanOne (talk) 18:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Titan is correct, the prose has been expanded significantly, far more than 5x. DYK does not go by byte size, as that can be misconstrued by references and other things in the article. All that is cared about is the size of the actual prose. SilverserenC 19:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Ethics AdviceLine for Journalists

Typhoon Nida (2009)

Symbol question.svg Through a synthesis of 2 sources, I can conclude that Nida was more intense than Hurricane Rick. However, I can't conclude that it was the most intense hurricane of 2009. Although I could if you used this as a source. -Atmoz (talk) 04:12, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
umm i have a webcited copy of that page as a source, for now its ref 20.Jason Rees (talk) 04:17, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Yup. They're exactly the same, except the title and the image. Which would have been good enough for me, since it's obviously true. But since these are news sources that can't predict that there wouldn't be a new TC that would be of greater intensity. There obviously wasn't, but now I'm not sure if it's good enough for DYK. -Atmoz (talk) 04:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Ideally it would be sourced to a news report towards the end of December/early January. But having looked last night at some of the major weather stations (ie: Jeff Masters and Accuweather) reviews of the weather in 2009 they dont mention the strongest tropical cyclone of the year. Ill keep looking though but if i cant find one which is referenced back to all of the JMA BT since 1950: Jason Rees (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I agree about the source. I've looked but I can't find anything. -Atmoz (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg confirmed. Not sure which hook I like better. -Atmoz (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Las Damas Romanas

Juan Luna’s Las Damas Romanas.

.(alt).. that since its rediscovery in 2008, the estimated value of Juan Luna’s painting Las Damas Romanas (The Roman Maidens) (pictured) has varied from 10,000 Euros to $1.2 million?

  • Comment: The values should be in the same currency, no? â€“ ukexpat (talk) 02:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't know who suggested the (alt). It was unsigned. But you can correct it. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


Annunciation to the shepherds

Annunciation to the Shepherds by Gaddi Taddeo


Ulnaby

Tetarteron and Histamenon

Obverse and revers of gold coin, showing busts of Christ and crowned emperor


Washington Bottom Farm

Villa de Zaachila

  • Seems good. 5x expansion. Age OK Pictogram voting keep.svg anyone speak Spanish to check hook? Victuallers (talk) 13:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Sera Chöding Hermitage

Sera Chöde.jpg

Green Mada’in Association for Agricultural Development

Valentine Kiss and Sayuri KokushÅ

  • You can just add the second article; no problem. Ucucha 22:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Norrie May-Welby

  • ... that in March 2010 Australia became the first country in the world to officially recognise a 'non-specified' gender, when Norrie May-Welby was found to be neither a man nor a woman? Created by Mais oui! (talk). Nominated by Mais oui! (talk) at 05:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Too short, article needs a minimum of 1500 characters of text, currently only has 837. Gatoclass (talk) 06:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
  • I have expanded it. Please recheck. SilverserenC 17:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg for expanded length, at 2425 B (408 words) "readable prose size"; reference checks. I'm not entirely sure if The Scottish Sun meets the sourcing standards of WP:BLP, though. I'm not familiar with it, but it looks a bit tabloidy. If it is, maybe it could be replaced with a more reliable publication? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I didn't get rid of it, but I did add on the other references that also say the same thing. SilverserenC 22:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Tom Cruise Purple

Cattle and Cane

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Verified original hook, can't feature the alt per our BLP rules. Gatoclass (talk) 06:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Orvieto Papacy

A sixteenth century well

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Source says he took refuge in 1528 and doesn't mention the Sack of Rome. Gatoclass (talk) 06:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Suggest rephrase: Savidan 08:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Verified alt, image verified as PD. Gatoclass (talk) 08:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge

  • Symbol possible vote.svg There are no inline citations (including the hook).
I'm not sure what you mean, there are two inline cites in the article, and the basic rules of the challenge are on the official website, which is also linked from the article. Since the hook is based on the official rules it seems verified to me. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:14, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
This ref [1] which is attached to the article also mentions the gold. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Alfrredo Navarro Salanga

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Aside from any other potential issues - I've not reviewed it - this is an incredibly boring hook. Please suggest an ALT. cmadler (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
ALT 1: ... that Alfrredo Navarro Salanga, author of the Filipino novella The Birthing of Hannibal Valdez, was a three-time Palanca Memorial Awardee? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
ALT 2: ... that Alfrredo Navarro Salanga, a three-time Palanca Awardee and author of The Birthing of Hannibal Valdez, was also known as "Daddy Giant"? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Maurice Sanford Fox

  • ... that Maurice Sanford Fox is an American geneticist and molecular biologist who studied the efficacy of breast cancer treatments many years before it became a hot topic? Created by Pjurgensen (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 16

Votes for Austrian women

Renaissance Papacy

Harry Crosby

ALT1 ... that Harry Crosby, who had an open marriage with his wife Caresse Crosby and published early works of struggling writers like James Joyce and Ezra Pound, committed suicide in a pact with his lover?

5x expanded by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 15:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Siege of Leith

  • Comment: alts welcome

Created by Victuallers (talk), Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk). Self nom at 23:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Thx - happy with alt Victuallers (talk) 09:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Billie Jean black sequin jacket

ALT1 is 267 characters, exceeding the max. -- btphelps (talk) (contribs) 13:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I think that this would be a better hook because it shows not only Michael’s love for his black sequin jacket, but also his fansDinhoGauch10 (talk) 04:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Manawan, Quebec

Muckaty station

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Looks okay. Certified quirky. Gatoclass (talk) 11:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172

Symbol question.svg I have two concerns with this nomination: 1) The article needs to be copyedited (I'm short on time this week or I'd do it myself). 2) Hook fact doesn't seem particularly interesting. Is there something that might be more interesting about this cantata? Maybe that he originally wrote it in C major, moved it to D major with the first revision, and then moved it back to C major? Or something else? If these are addressed, I recommend adding it to the 3/21 holding area for Bach's 325th birthday. cmadler (talk) 13:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
The hook fact may not seem interesting to you but ask the Bach fellows who claim that he would ALWAYS close with a chorale, - compare this from Cantata (highlighted by me): "The essential point, however, in Bach's church cantatas is that they formed part of a church service. Many of Bach's greatest cantatas begin with an elaborate chorus followed by a couple of arias and recitatives, and end with a plain chorale. This has often been commented upon as an example of Bach's indifference to artistic climax in the work as a whole. But no one will maintain this who realizes the place which the church cantata occupied in the Lutheran church service. The text was carefully based upon the gospel or lessons for the day; unless the cantata was short the sermon probably took place after the first chorus or one of the arias, and the congregation joined in the final chorale." So I think the hook is quite a statement. - But I will keep thinking. - The C - D - major thing is simple: tuning was different in Leipzig, so he switched, but then it got too high for the choir, and he switched back. That would be for specialists only. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
I didn't really think the key was that big a deal, of course the meaning and significance of key and tonality has changed over time and depending on tuning (equal tempered, just tempered, etc.). But without a certain degree of familiarity with Bach's cantatas it's not apparent that closing with a repeat of the opening chorus is remarkable; it's common in many forms of music (and perhaps even in cantatas by other composers?) to conclude with a repetition of the opening, or at least a restatement. Maybe this hook can be reworded, as we did with BWV 191 ("around 200 cantatas in German but only one...in Latin?") to make it clear the degree to which this is unusual? cmadler (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, I wouldn't know immediately a polite way to be more explicit, found that rude enough a way of fighting the so-called "plain chorale". (I don't know a single chorale of Bach - and I know some - that I would describe as "plain".) - I thought about: that Bach loved the piece so much that he still reworked it more than 15 years later, whereas the common thing to do was to compose a new one each year if possible. Would need to be phrased ... ideas welcome for both. (btw I'll be off tomorrow.) o.k. trying one more variation on the theme - and certainly we did the repeat in 2000 and heard interesting comments, nobody believed that it had been Bach himself who wanted it that way, at least in 1714, - no repeat in 1731.:
That's much "hookier" but reads like synthesis. Hekerui (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
  • If that line, perhaps (because "three years after" is not certain):
ALT3 ... that Bach loved his cantata Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten, BWV 172 so much that he reworked it in Leipzig 17 years after he composed it in Weimar? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
  • According to the discussion on the work's talk (4 commas in a title?) I changed the title to the hookier and still believe that the title itself is a hook. I didn't change the hook versions above but the title. No link to cantata please - working on it. My next suggestion:
ALT4 ... that Bach wrote Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 in Weimar and loved his cantata so much that he reworked it in Leipzig 17 years later?

Timbuwarra

UdiWWW

Created by Smallman12q (talk). Nominated by Smallman12q (talk) at 20:40, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Dorofei

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Hilarious! AGF on Russian sources. Found confirmation at Pravda Online, which, however, I don't think is a reliable source, so I didn't add to the article. cmadler (talk) 20:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
ALT1

... that after losing a fight with Mikhail Gorbachev's cat, Dmitry Medvedev's cat Dorofei was castrated? --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 06:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg English source supports both hooks. Prefer ALT1. cmadler (talk) 13:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Lionello Cecil

Note: someone else created it, but it was basically a word for word copy of another web page. I have rewritten it somewhat. Aiken ♫ 14:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Added "microphone" to hook, because that's what both the source and the article say. cmadler (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Walter Cornock

  • ... that despite being an Australian, Walter Cornock played both professional football and first-class cricket for English teams? Created by 8lgm (talk). Self nom at 12:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Martyrs' Lane

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Currently only a x3 expansion, needs to be x5 to qualify. Gatoclass (talk) 07:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Otumba de Gómez Farías

  • ... that the town of Otumba, Mexico has an annual Donkey Fair where the animals feature in fashion shows and costume contests? 5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 03:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Tyler Seguin

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Im counting 2664 characters to the created size of 1214 which doesnt qualify under a 5x expansion. Sadly the article was re-created March 4th and posted here March 16th and is more than 5 days old. The last issue is the sourcing provided in the article indicates he is a co-recipient and not the sole winner. I do believe the hook would also require a source indicating that he is the sole winner of the award the way the hook is written, otherwise the hook should mention Taylor Hall as well. Ottawa4ever (talk) 19:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Joseph H. Allen

Engraving portrait of a man with wavy hair, bushy eyebrows, and a large beard; man is wearing a suit and facing to his left.

Gowardia

  • ... that Gowardia, a lichen found in arctic and alpine tundra on both sides of the world, is named after the lichenologist Trevor Goward? Created by Millifolium (talk). Self nom at 00:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Noah Marullo

Articles created/expanded on March 15

Berserker Range

  • Comment: dull hook I know, but I thought it was notable for its funny name, as the ex-roleplayer that I am...Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Created by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 18:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date and hook check out. The hook is fine: it grabs the attention, which is what we want. A photo would be nice, especially as the article looks brief on the page.--Storye book (talk) 17:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Ostrogothic Papacy

Pope Symmachus

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Length, image and date check out. Offline citation accepted in AGF.--Storye book (talk) 16:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Annette Dasch

  • Symbol question.svg Date checks out, but prose-length is too short at 1266 characters (should be at least 1500).
  • Problem with original hook: It says Dasch actually created the characters, which she could not have done as she was not the first to perform those characters.
  • Problem with ALT1: citation bears out names of the opera and the theatre, but not the date 1781 for the premiere.
  • Suggestion: To bring that green DYK tick that much closer - extend the prose to over 1500 characters, and write an ALT2 hook which is fully borne out by an online citation. Please let us know here if/when you have done so, to make sure we don't miss it.--Storye book (talk) 16:34, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Learning, thank you. I expanded the article and ended on the funny note of Dasch-Salon. - I also found a second ref for ALT1 mentioning the date of the premiere. But even if not: it is given to the day 29 January 1781 in both articles, the opera and the theatre ("Some famous world premieres"). So I think we don't have to change the hook. Talking about dates, the singers birthday is 24 March ... - Thank you for the green tick for Christian Gerhaher. Both this article and Thomas Hengelbrock came into being to fill his red links, - then I got hooked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Robert Crichton Wyllie

man in 19th-century military uniform

  • Comment: moved to main space on March 15 after developing for a few days in User space

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 22:48, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Date, length and image check out. Offline citation accepted AGF.--Storye book (talk) 16:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Sean Reilly (Louisiana politician)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hook check out.--Storye book (talk) 16:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Fang Island

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hook check out. The original article from The Onion is here if you want to use it as extra citation or in External links.--Storye book (talk) 16:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Good idea, thanks for the link.  Gongshow Talk 16:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

MUZU TV

  • Symbol question.svg While this does check out in all regards, "is seen as" strikes me as a bit weasel-wordy. Care to suggest a different hook for this article, or a rewording of this one? cmadler (talk) 12:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Hengelbrock

  • Symbol question.svg Date and length check out. Main biography/career text needs to be edited into two or three fat paragraphs instead of lots of disjointed sets of one or two lines. Relevant citation for hook is number 3, but I can't get it to work; it times out. I'd suggest that shorter simpler hooks are better than complex ones, because they have to quickly catch the eye of the browsing reader - so that means the original hook would be best - if you can sort out a citation that works.--Storye book (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Sorry about the missing citation - was in English with nice pictures. I replaced it by three now, one in English (found last ...) and a preview and a review in German. May be interesting for readers who can understand it, so I left them all. - I tried to divide the section with the bits and pieces but confess that I rarely "met" someone who does so different things (ancient music, contemporary music, stage, concert ...) almost at the same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Citation for original hook now OK. Thanks for the update. --Storye book (talk) 17:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Battles of Wenden (1577–1578)

Ruins of Cēsis (Wenden) Castle today

Adolf Karl Ludwig Claus

Even hexagon in which the diametric corners are connected.

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Date, length and image check out. Accepted in AGF for offline or foreign-language citation.--Storye book (talk) 14:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Coucoucache, Quebec

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hook check out.--Storye book (talk) 14:22, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

James Cumming

  • Symbol question.svg-I can't find the source for this. Your reference to The 1702 chair of chemistry at Cambridge: transformation and change states page 318, yet the book has 318 pages. Are you sure it is on the last page?Smallman12q (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC) The "318" is the number of pages (pp means pages) - I missed adding p.146 (which I have now added) sorry and thx for review Victuallers (talk) 22:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • The pp paramater isn't meant for that, its meant to indicate multiple pages fro example 5-7, whereas the p paramater is for a single page. I'm not sure if you are aware, but there is a citation tool at http://reftag.appspot.com/ that will make it much much easier to cite google books=P.
  • Now as for the source, I looked at page 146, and was a bit perplexed as to the lexical ambiguity of their sentence, despite the fact that this was a Cambridge University Press publication . It states "...and frequently executed a cat with an electric shock." How does one interpret this? Was a cat frequently executed via electrocution in that it had multiple lives...or was it that the professor electrocuted a single cat at a time? Your current phrasing "where he was known to electrocute a cat?" implies that there was a single cat which was electrocuted multiple times by the professor. The text, however, appears to implie that by executing a cat, that he killed one cat each time. This really isn't your fault, but rather the author who introduced lexical ambiguity by using poor grammar.
  • There's also the question of "entertaining". The source states that "Cumming literally shocked audiences with an electric shock". Although from a sardonic viewpoint, this could be considered entertaining, I'm not quite sure if "shocking" people would be considered entertainment here on wikipedia...(this is of course debatable).
  • It was a most interesting read...to see that a dept. chair would condone and partake in such behavior is indeed of interest=P.
  • I hope you do not find me to be an adversary, but here at Wikipedia we do try and strive for accuracy when possible. I cannot rate this DYK nomination because I have edited the article and would not like to create a COI(conflict of interest), however, another editor is free to evaluate this DYK nomination.Smallman12q (talk) 00:37, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
    Sorry, I have only read this thread and haven't seen the article at all, but I oppose the hook, merely because it would naturally induce negative reaction in most readers, not to mention cat lovers. In other words, I don't see a need for selecting negative facts of questionable notability for the main page. Materialscientist (talk) 01:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
No problem with the "frequently executed a cat" - as any fule kno you cannot execute an individual cat more than once. Don't see any issue with shocking his audiences either. Sounds quite jolly. DuncanHill (talk) 01:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict)I have started a thread at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Lexical_Ambiguity.Smallman12q (talk) 01:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date and hook check out. (Review by borzoi owner)--Storye book (talk) 14:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Green Lantern (film)

  • Comment for reviewers: the page itself was created 2007-11-07 which included a couple of articles that failed WP:NFF but was redirected to Green Lantern in other media#Film until 2010-03-15. The current article created on 2010-03-15 is the first that meets WP:NFF.-TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Date and length check out. Citation for Jack Black checks out. I cannot find a citation for 1997. Can you help us with this, please? Copying the hook with all relevant citations alongside into main text or header would make life easier for us, and would bring that green tick that much closer. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Alkali Lake Chemical Waste Dump

  • Moved to mainspace on March 15. tedder (talk) 02:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hook check out. Interesting article; a photo would be good.--Storye book (talk) 14:01, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

America is in the Heart

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length and date OK. Hook verified by citation 6.--Storye book (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Frankish Papacy

  • Symbol question.svg Length and date OK. Citation says he crossed the Alps, but doesn't say he was the first pope to do so. Or have I missed something?--Storye book (talk) 13:48, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Several more sources added. Savidan 18:54, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Walter Lappert

  • ... that Walter Lappert started an ice cream company at age 61, and on Kauai, with a population of only 40,000 people, he sold out his first batch of 17,000 liters in just two weeks in 1983? Created by Alawa (talk). Self nom at 22:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Nice hook, but the source doesn't actually state he sold the whole first batch on Kauai. Gatoclass (talk) 07:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Tambouras

A man in pantaloons playing a stringed wooden instrument with a long, thin neck

  • ALT 1 -

... that the tambouras, a Greek traditional string instrument of the lute family and ancestor of the bouzouki, features movable frets? - I.M.S. (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

As it will appear exotic and interesting to many readers, I would simply state something about the instrument itself. - I.M.S. (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I like ALT1, or I see potential for an April Fools Day Tamboura/Tambouras hook. However, the article must have inline citations for DYK; it currently has none. cmadler (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Comment I agree with ALT 1; I will endeavour to improve the referencing; as it was created by a (changing) IP, I may not be able to contact them to improve references - from discussions with them, I believe that they are going to create an account, so I will try. I will also try and source at least some of it, in-line, myself.  Chzz  â–º  23:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Fixed? I have added inline citations to support at least all the facts given in ALT1.  Chzz  â–º  00:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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Yes, I was going to point out the inline citation problem as well. The article looks great now (hook fact is sourced). - I.M.S. (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

David Holman

    • I'm open to any hook changes. Also [2], [3], and [4] are the direct source links, I think it highlights his last name so not too hard to see. -- Banjeboi 22:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I cannot see a 5x expansion as from 15 March. It goes from 3114 to 3831 characters. I have not checked the hook.--Storye book (talk) 13:39, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

1882–83 West Bromwich Albion F.C. season

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Confirmed length, article creation, hook length. AGF for offline source. Good hook! cmadler (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Allan Walters

Head-and-shoulders portrait of a caucasian man in dark tie, white shirt, and dark jacket with pilot's wings on left-breast pocket

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, image and hook all check out. Nice article.--Storye book (talk) 13:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Toxotes chatareus

Side view of a silvery-gold fish with four brown stripes occupying most of the centre foreground, with a dark background. The fish is arrowhead-shaped, with a pointed snout and large eye

  • Comment: Image probably needs to be cropped to remove the watermark, but I'm not sure how to do that. Intelligentsium 00:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svgDate, length, and refs are good. I'd change the hook to say what this animal is, in case it doesn't get a picture:
  • I also think that as cool as their fecundity is, spitting water at their prey is way cooler. How about a hook like:
  • ... that the seven spotted archerfish can hunt terrestrial insects by spitting a stream of water at them to knock them into the water, even when they are up to 1.5 meters away?
Millifolium (talk) 06:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Watermarked images are copyrighted. Cropping the watermark is not a solution.--Wetman (talk) 14:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
The copyright holder has licensed the image under a license appropriate for Wikipedia. The terms of that license include permission for the creation of derivative works, such as a version with the watermark cropped away. Ucucha 14:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I removed the watermark. Millifolium (talk) 17:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the fact about spitting water at their prey should be used as the hook, as it was already used in the hook for another species of the same genus, Toxotes jaculatrix or the banded archerfish (which I also wrote). Its fecundity seems to be the next most interesting fact, but I suppose I could add something about its ability to jump out of the water. Intelligentsium 23:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


Minuscule 658, Minuscule 659, Minuscule 661

  • ALT1: ... that, during the bombing of Berlin, Minuscule 658, 659 and 661 were sent out of Berlin for safekeeping and were later found in Poland?
  • Symbol question.svg The date is OK for all three articles. The citation for the hook is offline, but could be accepted AGF in my opinion. However a large part of the text in the History section of each article is identical in all three articles. This affects the validity for DYK of all three articles, because none has much more than the required 1500 characters (658 has 2076 characters; 659 has 1690; 661 has 1767). Also the syntax of the hook needs adjusting. If the above problems can be resolved, then I suggest ALT1. If you cannot find replacement text for two of the articles, then I suggest that you adjust the hook/nomination as for one article, and not for all three. --Storye book (talk) 13:14, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
It appears I still do not know all DYK criteria. In all these articles only this part is identical:

At the end of 1943 year has increased the frequency of the bombing of Berlin. The Prussian State Library sent many collections out of Berlin to be sheltered in Silesia for safekeeping. As the result of postwar border changes some of these collections were found in Poland (among them minuscule 658). They were moved to the Jagiellonian University Library.

It has 355 characters. In other parts there are always some differences (shelfnumber). I will try to expand all these articles, if not... is it possible for two articles. I think 'ALT1 is better. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 13:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Every of these articles was expanded at least 300 characters. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 14:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, also this is identical: "The Greek text of the codex Kurt Aland did not place it in any Category. The text of the manuscript was not examined by using the Wisse's Profile Method." Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 14:18, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Leszek JaÅ„czuk, for your extra work. As this is my first week of DYK reviewing, I guess we'd better have a second opinion on this one. Second opinion, anyone? Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 17:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Lango Sinkamba

  • Comment: "Marathonian"? No, "marathon athlete". â€“ ukexpat (talk) 03:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Done, by Materialscientist. Thank you for that! Regarding him being the first, the IPC's database lists all athletes and their results, per country and per edition of the Paralympic Games. Sinkamba was indeed his country's only representative during its first participation in the Paralympics. Aridd (talk) 12:33, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Causes of the May Revolution

Joseph Bonaparte

Mohini

alt = A wooden nude woman, wearing garlands and holding a flower and parrot, leaning on a stick. Two bearded nude maen with erect penises pointing to her, with folded hands held above their heads.

  • I prefer the wooden sculpture. But if nudity is an issue, I suggest the other one. Though the latter image is not used in the article, an image showing the whole sculpture is used, but that one does not look good in 100X100 px. --Redtigerxyz Talk 14:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
WP:NOTCENSORED. Pick whatever image more effectively illustrates the article. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 14:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Commented 1 image. --Redtigerxyz Talk 19:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svgDate, length, and refs all good. Easy contender for lead hook. The image is fine. Ceoil sláinte 20:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


Sixteenth government of Israel

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hook check out.--Storye book (talk) 11:22, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Carlbury

Sebacina

A white crust covers the base and low branches of a plant.

  • …that the fungal genus Sebacina (S. concrescence pictured) includes species that can encrust the stem bases of living plants? Created by RunningClam (talk). Nominated by Sasata (talk) at 06:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Date and length check out. Offline citation for hook accepted AGF - although there could be evidence in one of the online first-page excerpts and maybe I missed it? (I had better add that the photo doesn't show whether the plant is living, so can't be used as evidence).--Storye book (talk) 11:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Viterbo Papacy

Palazzo dei Papi di Viterbo

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date and length check out. Hook checks out online with citation 1.--Storye book (talk) 11:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Hungargunn Bear It'n Mind

A large tan colored smooth skinned dog curls up in a dog bed.

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hook check out. Any chance of adding an image of the dog? Or another of the same breed? --Storye book (talk) 10:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Managed to add a fair use and a free use image to the article. Linked the free use one here - it's actually of one of his daughters so there's an acceptable link. Miyagawa (talk) 12:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone

  • Symbol question.svg Date and hook check out. However there are only 810 characters of prose, and it needs 1500 for DYK. You still have a few days to do this, if you wish to do so. Please message me on my talk page if/when you've done it, and I'll update the review. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 10:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on March 14

MyTwoCensus

The Possum

Richard Stapley

Cécile DeWitt-Morette

Weekend Wogan

Kevin Reilly (Louisiana politician)

Oryzomys nelsoni

Euryoryzomys emmonsae

John Erskine Clarke

Leith Hall

Christopher Bruun

The Rosales Saga, Tree (novel), The Pretenders (novel), Mass (novel)

Author of the Rosales Saga

  • Comment: Quadrupled hook nominations

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

  • If this image is used, its alt text needs to be improved to meet the guidelines at WP:ALT. rʨanaÉ¢ (talk) 16:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


The Power of Madonna

A middle-aged woman with wavy blonde hair smiles, gazing to her right


Hello (Glee)

Karl Ludwig Giesecke

Taklung Monastery and Riwoche Monastery

Thistle, Utah

An arial picture of of a de-stabilized mountain sliding and creating a dam and lake. Various construction activity is present to the left of the slide area.

Note: One of the key sources for this hook is currently down. Google's cached version [5] can confirm the hook in the interim.Dave (talk) 08:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Site is back up.Dave (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Date, image and 5x expansion OK. The citation for the hook is your reference no.12, and it took me a while to find the right one. Your hook is already in the header, so please could you kindly put reference no.12 next to it for easy verification? If you could then please message me on my talk page, I'll update this review.--Storye book (talk) 20:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Done, the hook is now sourced at both mentions in the article, lead and body. Thanks for checking. Dave (talk) 21:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks for your kind cooperation. I agree that putting hook and citation in the header as well as main text seems over the top, but believe me, when there's a backlog and you're trying to check out all these DYKs, and some of them are quite complex, a hook with citation in the header brings that green tick just that much closer - and that goes for most DYKs in my personal opinion. If the hook with citation is already in the main text, I guess you can always remove it from the header after the article has had its front page exposure.--Storye book (talk) 22:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


Acute exacerbations of chronic bronchitis

  • Symbol question.svg Date and length OK. I finally found the reference to two or three times per year in your citation 3, on page 249 of the pdf file. I couldn't get citation 1 to link up, but maybe that's the slow broadband in my village. So, to help the rest of us verify your hook, please could you kindly copy it into the header, with a clear citation link to the same pdf file alongside, saying that it's on page 249? Please message me on my talk page when you've done it, so that I can update this review.--Storye book (talk) 20:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Sure. Both links worked perfectly for me now, copied them to below - hope it was something temporary.Mikael Häggström (talk) 05:03, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
1. medbroadcast.com > Acute Exacerbations of Chronic Bronchitis Retrieved on Mars 13, 2010
3. Page 249 in: Balter MS, La Forge J, Low DE, Mandell L, Grossman RF (2003). "Canadian guidelines for the management of acute exacerbations of chronic bronchitis". Can. Respir. J. 10 Suppl B: 3B–32B. PMID 12944998.  [6]
  • Symbol confirmed.svg OK now. Hook and citation in main text, but still easy to find; citation is alongside hook and you have added the page number to the citation. Thank you.--Storye book (talk) 10:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

German submarine U-78 (1940)

  • Symbol question.svg Two problems which should be easily solved. (1) It's not quite 5x expansion (518→2526 bytes of prose only). But you'll only need to make it up to 2590 bytes of actual prose. (2) If you could copy your hook with this online citation into the header, it would be more easily verified.--Storye book (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Both done.--White Shadows you're breaking up 20:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length OK now. Hook and correct citation together in main text, and easy to find. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 10:42, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 13

Throne of God

John Ricord

Kamehameha III

  • Comment: moved to main space March 13 after developing in user space for a few days

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 00:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg verified. I don't think it is good to include Kamehameha III's image, though. —innotata (Talk â€¢ Contribs) 16:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Treaty of Seringapatam, Third Anglo-Mysore War

  • Note Treaty of Seringapatam is new; Third Anglo-Mysore War is 5x expansion. Magic♪piano 14:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Neville Bertie-Clay

  • Symbol question.svg Looking good, but i think it is a little awkward to say, here and in article, that it was "in response to" the lower stopping power of the other bullet. The other bullet wasn't lower than this one, until this one was created. It was in response to perceived inadequacy / ineffectiveness of the other bullet in colonial warfare perhaps. So some rewording would help. Also interesting DYK-like factoid in article that the bullet was only to be used in colonial warfare, not against Europeans. --doncram (talk) 18:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Drs. Foster & Smith

  • ... that Drs. Foster & Smith, a US$250 million pet supply company, initially refused to spend any money on internet advertising, despite launching its online operations the same year as Pets.com?
  • Comment: article was developed outside of mainspace over a period of time & moved into mainspace today

Created by ThaddeusB (talk), DFSBrent (talk). Nominated by ThaddeusB (talk) at 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I am considering trying to bring this article up to GA status in the future. As such, if the reviewer is willing to assess the article and/or provide constructive criticism I would much appreciate it. Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
  • How about something like: ALT1 "That Drs. Foster & Smith, a successful pet supply company, spent no money advertising its website, despite competitor Pets.Com's spending millions on its way to bankruptcy in 2000?" About review, I suggest your requesting a wp:PR after DYK is published. I'll comment at Talk page of article about one matter, briefly. --doncram (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd prefer the original. The Drs. Foster & Smith doesn't actually say Pets.com was spending its way to bankruptcy (and the situation was a bit more complicated that just overspending). I'd prefer to keep the article (and hook) focused on F&S rather than go on a tangent as to why Pets.com failed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
    Okay to keep focus on Drs. Foster & Smith, and my proposed alt hook was not perfect either. I was bothered, i guess, by vagueness of "initially" and "the same year as" in the proposed hook. Why not give a specific year. How long is initially, anyhow? For one week? For two years? I am not sure any specific length of time is given in the source, either, which seemed a bit vague when i looked for it the other day. I also don't know if the company actually "refused" to web-advertise. Did someone ask them too, and they actually said no? Or is it just observed that they didn't advertise. And does the source actually know that they did not advertise. There are advertising monitoring services which track/estimate advertising dollars spent by companies in various media; I don't think the source cited mentioned checking in one of those, or otherwise stating the reason for its assertion that the company didn't web-advertise. Maybe I am being too literal though. Perhaps another DYK reviewer would/could check and approve of this one. --doncram (talk) 16:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Into Temptation (film)

  • ... that writer/director Patrick Coyle first publicly showed his 2009 film Into Temptation at the hospice where his father stayed? Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 04:27, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Erioderma pedicellatum

Leafy blue-green lichen and reddish liverwort growing on tree

Bridge of Flowers (bridge)

Bridge of Flowers

  • ... that the Bridge of Flowers, originally built as a trolley bridge, was covered in plants after plans for demolition or reuse of the bridge were discouraged due to cost and the use of the bridge as the carrier of a water pipe? Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 21:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This is really interesting, and meets the length and article creation requirements. Unfortunately, this article is sourced entirely to the Bridge of Flowers website, which is not a reliable secondary source. Please improve the article sourcing and then this can be used. cmadler (talk) 15:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Fixed. I found one sight but it triggered the spam filter, but another one was solid. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that, because it could not be repaired due to the cost, nor removed due to a major water main, a trolley bridge was turned into a garden called the Bridge of Flowers (pictured)? cmadler (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


Bamba Sutherland

  • ... that Princess Bamba, the last of the family who ruled the Sikh Empire, was said to have "lived like an alien in her father’s kingdom"? Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 20:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg- length, date and hook check out. Reyk YO! 09:14, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Colorado State Highway 35

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Date checks out. The problem is that the DYK checker comes up 696 characters of prose (lists and tables don't count), far short of the 2000 characters minimum. You have several days to expand the new article. Royalbroil 22:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Correction: the DYK requirement is 1500 characters of prose, not 2000. But 696 is too short either way. cmadler (talk) 14:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Boekenweek

  • Comment: The subject is also of interest because the event is currently being held till March 20, 2010.

Created by Simeon (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Viajero

F. Sionil José

  • This image is also used in a nomination higher up; it should only be used once. rʨanaÉ¢ (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


2001 Angola train attack

Symbol possible vote.svg bare urls, need proper citation formatThelmadatter (talk) 15:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

is there a bot for that?--DAI (Δ) 16:17, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Antonio Alice

Flader J55

Twice Blessed

Chenowth Advanced Light Strike Vehicle

Agrimonia gryposepala

  • Symbol question.svg Why "but"? Many species in Rosaceae are woodland trees (eg those in Sorbus; Prunus etc). Ericoides (talk) 17:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Ron Gomez

State of War (novel)

  • Symbol question.svg Checks out, but where does a source say the author is "award winning"? -SusanLesch (talk) 04:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Need third opinion here - I am not happy with most references, some statements (State of War was also called as "one of the finest novels of 1988" - by whom? is enotes.com respectable?) and maybe even notability of this novel (most Google hits are from book publishers, who would obviously promote a book they print). Materialscientist (talk) 23:55, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg On a quick glance, the sources linked at Questia and Goliath seem legitimate, though the citations in the article need to be fixed (for example, Questia is a link for a "[j]ournal article by Rocío G. Davis; World Literature Today, Vol. 73, 1999", and the citation in the article needs to reflect that; likewise for the article at Goliath). The Enotes, DirectEssays, and Amazon links should be removed as citations entirely, which leaves us without a citation for the hooked fact. Like you, I'm dubious about the notability of this novel. cmadler (talk) 14:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 12

Siobhan Magnus

  • Symbol question.svg At AFD, but all opinions are "keep". Just barely long enough, so it perhaps should be thrown out. Otherwise hook and date OK. —innotata (Talk â€¢ Contribs) 21:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
The AFD was closed as the nominator was a sockpuppet. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Confederate war finance


Add alt-text!
Add rollover text!

  • ALT1:... that one of the ways that the Confederacy financed their military effort during the American Civil War was by issuing money which paid interest?
  • Comment: Maybe "92 times over" should be replaced by "by 9200%". Alt image for first hook could be the Confederate money (after "printing money" in the hook). An image for the alt hook could be the Confederate dollar stamped to indicate that interest had been paid. Other hooks can be generated from the article.

Created by Radeksz (talk). Nominated by Radeksz (talk) at 12:04, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Five-dollar bill issued by the Confederate States of America
  • Here's an image of a Confederate banknote -- as an alternative to the graph. (This particular file is not in the article, but the image is in the in the article as part of a composite file that includes two banknotes.) --Orlady (talk) 14:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment: I say add the image with the two notes. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 07:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm fine with any of that. The two note image is nice (though I always like graphs - but that's just me).radek (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


Ridgeway Hill Viking burial pit

  • "...although Oxford Archaeology project manager David Score noted, that without analysis of all of the bodies, it was impossible to know for certain that all the decapitated men were Vikings.

Piercebridge

Piercebridge

  • This article has also been nominated as a double DYK (see nomination above, in same 12 March section)
  • note: now the double DYK is in Queue 4 this and the one below should be removed.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 16:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Piercebridge Roman Fort

Piercebridge Roman Fort

  • This article has also been nominated as a double DYK (see nomination above, in same 12 March section)


Paro Taktsang

Taktshang2.jpg

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hook check out.--Storye book (talk) 09:28, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 11

Palace of Omurtag

Excavated ruins at the Palace of Omurtag


GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle

GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    • Symbol possible vote.svg There is nothing in the article which says that this is the first US Military vehicle to have non-lethal weapons. Do you have a source that says this is the first? Also, the hook should say "is planned to" instead of "will" as this vehicle is still five years away from prototype and there's no way to know what it may have in the end. New Hampshirite (talk) 01:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
This source says it will be the first tactical vehicle with a less lethal weapon. Other strategic vehicles in the US Military, such as recovery vehicles, refueling vehicles, and transporters might have less lethal weapons but I've never heard of it before. I can manually check the weapon suites of other U.S. Military vehicles if you want me to. Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


Room & Board

  • Symbol confirmed.svg All ok, though hook is difficult to parse. Ceoil sláinte 16:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
  • And sorry it isn't very international. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Sorry for being rude (just asking questions which will likely fall onto our heads later), but I don't understand the main hook, the alt hook, why this company is notable, and why this nom isn't a promotion of that company. Materialscientist (talk) 07:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Materialscientist. Good question. I suppose it is promotion of a company. I rescued this article from deletion, and think if Wikipedia has an article about Pottery Barn (and other commercial entities) then we should have this one too. The hook was just a cool fact that I happened to find in The New York Times. I don't mind switching hooks or pulling this nomination if you'd like me to. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
ALT2: that for Room & Board, designer Vladimir Kagan built a facsimile of his sofa that Christie's had sold for $190,000?
Stronger, my preference. Ceoil sláinte 12:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
ALT2 is better, rescue efforts are appreciated, and the article is probably fine for WP, but, I don't feel it is right to have this article on the main page - just my opinion. Materialscientist (talk) 12:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Chee Kung Tong Society Building

Chee Kung Tong Society Hall Gate Back.JPG

  • What does "once mentioned" mean in this context? Does "delineated" mean "signified"?--Wetman (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Nothing personal, but did you even look at the picture or click the link? That aside, upon reading it again, it does sound abit clunky. Hmmmm.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 18:10, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


Almond Blossom Cross Country

Almond blossom aug 2007.jpg

  • Symbol question.svg Date and length check out, but citation link for hook is a blacklisted link. Could you find an alternative valid online link for the citation - or an alternative hook with verifiable citation?--Storye book (talk) 17:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


    • I spent a good half an hour trying to find a better cite but I found nothing. The site is blacklisted for spam reasons, but the linked article has obvious value for the article. The problem is a strange one: the reason is so obvious that no other sources seemed bothered to state the obvious! What can I do? Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 17:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd recommend an alternative hook, which will allow you to find a proper citation.--Storye book (talk) 19:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Or maybe not as that's blacklisted too! Let us pursue with the less elegant hook of:

Knut Kleve

  • ... that Knut Kleve is known for his restoration of papyrus fragments? 5x expanded by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 00:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks for evaluating the hook, and suggesting a revised alternative. I like your suggestion, and either hook is fine with me. Oceanh (talk) 22:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant

5x expanded by FT2 (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Lacklustre doesn't work for me. Two options:
ALT8 "...was so upset at their refusal to kill that he ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?"
ALT9 "...had to run around a lake pleading and threatening before the men would fight?"
(Just noticed the original page was wrongly titled as well as incorrect, hence page moved from "Ave Caesar..." to the original source text's "Ave Imperator...") FT2 (Talk | email) 02:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
New problem: I like both new suggestions equally and cannot decide which to prefer ;-). Very good! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
"Had to run" might carry a certain hook that "ran" doesn't, and "was so upset [...] refusal to kill" does too. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Can some third party please do the verification? Everything looks good to me now... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Nice and hooky and all that, but the running around is only according to Suetonius. The other writers don't mention it. Verified as far as it goes though (there's probably some tick graphic for that, feel free to add it on my behalf). Yomanganitalk 16:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Yomangani's quite right; making the Caesars look ridiculous was a hobby and delight for Suetonius; we're a few miles from the realm of facts here but I can see no problem with this if the hook acknowledges its source. Haploidavey (talk) 00:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

We need a proper review and proper hook here. I moved the hook below to the queues, but return here because of the comment by Yomangani below (and I join that the above hook(s) are not clear in the article). Materialscientist (talk) 07:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

It is partially supported by one source and not mentioned by others, but even Suetonius doesn't say that Claudius had to run round the lake, just that he did. Yomanganitalk 17:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC) (and "around" is wrong too. The lake was huge).

Articles created/expanded on March 10

Jimmy Sexton

  • Corrected tense: lead -> led. Here and in the article. Jujutacular T Â· C 22:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Ah yes, my mistake. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

R v Burgess

  • Article lacks inline citations.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Canigou Cambrai

  • Many of the sources in the article seem somewhat questionable as far as their reliability is concerned. The fact in the hook, for example, is from pubquizhelp.com.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Swapped out the reference with an alternative, however it's in Icelandic. For some reason Crufts don't seem to host a simple list of winners on their website. Miyagawa (talk) 12:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Frank T. Johns

  • ... that Frank T. Johns, Presidential nominee of the Socialist Labor Party, died trying to rescue a drowning boy following his first speech of the 1928 campaign? 5x expanded by Carrite (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
  • The hook doesn't mention what country it is talking about. I'm also a little concerned that the article is mostly based on the guy's own party's convention minutes.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

San Bartolo Coyotepec

  • It might be a good idea to write a "married Roman Catholic priest" since this wouldn't be unusual for other religions.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Mexico ought to be linked too, and consider linking "married Roman Catholic priest" to clerical marriage. Todor→Bozhinov 14:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • It is questionable if he is a Roman Catholic priest since the Church no longer recognizes him as such.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Underwater Archaeology Branch, Naval History & Heritage Command

  • The article is almost completely based on a Navy website and not on secondary sources.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • The page has been updated with 7 separate outside sources including four published sources. Leachers1987 (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Need one citation per paragraph. A number of paragraphs are lacking one.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Comment: Leachers1987 has been adding them. OK now? â€“ ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Binding selectivity

The hook needs to contain a wikilink to the article. Stonemason89 (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Done Calmer Waters 17:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
"is of major importance" is kind of vague. Also, there are unreferenced paragraphs in the article.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Both of these observations arise out of the fact that this article presents an over-view of a very broad topic. Each section has a general reference. References are not given for topics covered in detail in the {{main}} links. Petergans (talk) 07:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 9

Aiphanes minima

Nancy Nathanson

Symbol possible vote.svg Any chance for a more interesting hook here? Materialscientist (talk) 08:22, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Bad (Michael Jackson song)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Not quite a 5x expansion yet. The article had 3337 characters of readable prose on 25 February and now has 10927 characters, a 3.27x expansion. You'll need to expand to at least 16685 characters before it's eligible. -- BigDom 22:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I've just added an expansion on the article, does my recent editions to the article consist of a 5x expansion now? Thanks, Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 02:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
  • It's now 14770 characters, and you still need to expand to 16685.--Storye book (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

What A Guy!

  • I don't really see what's unusual about this fact. Couldn't something more interesting be found.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Robert Kennedy in Palestine (1948)

Robert Kennedy

  • ... that in 1948 in one of his reports from Palestine Robert Kennedy (pictured) wrote "The Jews with their backs to the sea, fighting for their very homes...On the other hand, the Arabs say:Religious Crusade"? Created by Mbz1 (talk) and George (talk) Self nom at 16:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Currently up for AfD. I've expressed my opinion there. Gatoclass (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
You sure did. You called Robert Kennedy writings "rant", and have chosen to ignore at least three reliable sources for the hooks only. --Mbz1 (talk) 16:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Currently uncertain whether this one will survive the AfD or not, but numerous editors have expressed concerns about the article's lack of neutrality including myself, and I don't see the problems being resolved quickly. Therefore I am opposing promotion of this one, regardless of whether it survives the AfD or not. Gatoclass (talk) 05:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
It is incorrect to say the least. Tiamut, who added POV tag, has agreed to remove it, and it was removed from the article. The only reason of you comment is I just do not like it. It is the time to stop the insinuations, isn't it? If you'd like to continue constructive discussion about so called "the article's lack of neutrality" I invite you to share your concerns at the article's discussion page, where it belongs. --Mbz1 (talk) 16:34, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
It's not an "insinuation" to express the view that an article is POV, it is part of one's responsibility as a wikipedian to do so where appropriate. I don't know what Tiamut's view is, but that's her affair, I am of the view that the article is still POV and I have a right to express that view as much as anyone else.
Should the article survive the AfD, I may indeed propose some changes on the talk page or even make some changes myself. Until that time however, I am not inclined to waste my time trying to fix an article that may soon be deleted. But in any case I am under no obligation to try and NPOV articles proposed for DYK, that is the responsibility of the article creator and if you fail to do so, that really isn't my problem. Gatoclass (talk) 22:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
And BTW, it is not the case that Tiamut agrees the article is now NPOV, she only said she would stop adding the tag since you keep removing it. But she clearly still has concerns about the article, as expressed in her last post at the talk page, here. Certainly, I would tag the article myself except that would make me responsible for trying to fix it, and that's not a responsibility I am inclined to take on right now. Gatoclass (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Half of the truth is not the truth, you know. She said: "...and you've made an effort to improve it, so I won't replace it for now. I may return to the issue with more specific concerns in the future though." (highlighted by me), but so far she did not. Once again it is not the right place to discuss the neutrality of the article. I understand you do not want "to waste your time trying to fix an article that may soon be deleted. " Then may I please ask you to stop wasting your and mine time here?--Mbz1 (talk) 23:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Half of the truth is not the truth
Quite, but perhaps you should have taken your own advice before implying that Tiamut now approves of the article. As for time wasting, seems to me you are the one who has wasted a great deal of everyone's time by writing an article that was immediately nominated for AfD on the basis of numerous apparent inadequacies, and which others have had to spend a considerable amount of time trying to rectify, so I hardly think you are in a position to accuse others of this particular vice. And finally in regard to your other comment, while this is not a venue for discussing particular problems in an article, it is certainly appropriate to note that an article may have problems which exclude it from promotion, without which we would not have a DYK process at all. Gatoclass (talk) 00:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Tra-ta-tra-ta-tra-tttt. Would you please stop lying as right now? I said "Tiamut, who added POV tag, has agreed to remove it, and it was removed from the article". Where did I say "Tiamut now approves of the article?" The article was nominated for deletion by a very biased user, who lied in the deletion request, and I could prove it. Now, I consider your statements about the article to be a discrimination against my English and my writing skills. Stop it!--Mbz1 (talk) 01:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
So having already accused me of bad faith with the WP:IDONTLIKEIT comment, you are now accusing both myself and others of lying because they disagree with you? Sorry, but you are not doing your case any favours at all with such attacks. But for the record, I repudiate the charge that I "lied" about anything. Quite frankly, I think that if anyone has misrepresented the facts in this discussion, you have. You claimed Tiamut "agreed to remove the tag", when all she really did was acquiesce in your repeated removal of it, while expressing continued concerns about the article. You implied I was the only one with NPOV concerns about the article, when a look at the AfD page shows that numerous editors have expressed similar concerns.
Obviously, you are irritated that I have opposed promotion of this article. But misstating the facts in order to mount baseless personal attacks is not going to help your cause. Gatoclass (talk) 02:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I will never ever ever accuse anybody in lying because we disagree. If I stated something like that, it means I could confirm it with many evidences. Please take your concerns about my "personal attacks" to any board of your choice, and I will easily prove that I had rather good reasons to say what I said, and now please stop it.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Um, sorry, but calling someone a liar is transparently a personal attack and there can be no dispute about that. And claiming you have "many evidences" that I am a liar is just digging the hole deeper. I'm not going to report you to a noticeboard about these attacks because I can't be bothered with the wikidrama, nor would I want to burden the community with such nonsense, but what I can do is remind you that if you persist in trying to personalize disputes, it will only be a matter of time before you find yourself sanctioned for such behaviour. Gatoclass (talk) 06:12, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I did not accused you in a bad faith. You did, when you first called the article "a rant", and then accused me that I made Kennedy "sound like a cheerleader for Zionism". Guess what, Kennedy was a strong supporter of Israel. Please see that pro-Arab book page 651. It clearly states that for Kennedy Jews were good, and Arabs were bad. I assure I had no influence on Robert Kennedy at all. It is his words, that you just do not like.--Mbz1 (talk) 06:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, and I withdrew that remark as soon as you complained, as I realized it was potentially offensive. But it seems you are still hanging onto it. Just one more thing you are apparently not prepared to WP:AGF about. Gatoclass (talk) 09:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
No it is not appropriate to note "that an article may have problems which exclude it from promotion, without which we would not have a DYK process at all." not without providing any example from the article anyway , and not without adding to that statemnet of yours "In my opinion".--Mbz1 (talk) 02:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I already stated what I felt was wrong with the article at the AfD. But for your benefit, I will repeat those concerns here. Firstly, the article consists almost entirely of quotes from Kennedy's articles, which in this case are a primary rather than secondary source. Secondly, it entirely excludes the commentary about these articles from the available secondary sources. Thirdly, the commentary about Kennedy's assassination is WP:COATRACK. Finally, secondary sourcing for this article is extremely thin, to the point that its viability as a standalone article is questionable (a position held by numerous contributors at the AfD). So hopefully now it is clear to you and anyone else what my objections to this article are. Gatoclass (talk) 03:01, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
The quote from the article: "Sirhan happened to see a documentary about Kennedy in Palestine in 1948. Later in his murder trial Sirhan Sirhan testified: "...I hoped he will win Presidency until that moment. But when I saw, heard, he was supporting Israel, sir, not in 1968, but he was supporting, it from all the way from its inception in 1948, sir..."" page 658 page 103. Otherwise, if the article survives Afd, may I please ask a closing admin to check out the "thin" sources and external links in the article itself. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Comment whatever the result of the deletion request, the DYK hook is very biased and out of context. You can change it , as a bare minimum to have some sort of neutrality to "The Jews with their backs to the sea, fighting for their very homes, will accept no compromise....On the other hand, the Arabs shall crush forever the invader [... and] carry on the fight". The Jews are seen by the Arabs as invaders, that's why they say that...--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I'll think about other hook, if the article will not get deleted. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I've thoroughly updated, expanded, and reformatted the cited references for this article. After extensive reading of the provided sources, especially the chunk of text from which the original hook was drawn from, I've struck the original hook as unacceptable on grounds of accuracy and NPOV. As it stood, it would be like quoting Churchill's "We shall fight on the beaches" speech to read "we shall fight in France... and then our Empire, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on in the New World". If it survives AfD, an ALT hook must be crafted for this to advance to the main page. - Dravecky (talk) 11:46, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Lars Aspeflaten

What Is a Man Without a Moustache?

SongMeanings

Solar Turbines

Point Lonsdale Lighthouse

May Day Eve

I am not sure about this, but I have also bolded the "married" part linked to Marriage and wedding customs in the Philippines. I am reverting/cancelling my withdrawal of the nom for Marriage and wedding customs in the Philippines on March 4, 2010. But I originally nominated/suggested it on 28, 2010 (See history here) If not, you may debold it, as you wish. But I hope this will be reconsidered. Thank you. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
The purpose is to create a double-nom in good faith. - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:07, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Since the problems, which kept the marriage article from being accepted in the frist place still persist, I do think it should be de-bolded.--Carabinieri (talk) 13:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 8

Bamba Müller

Bamba Muller, Cinderella

  • Help and alts welcome Victuallers (talk) 08:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • nb This has been moved back from April Fools Victuallers (talk) 17:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Sven Moren, Noregs Ungdomslag

Falkuša

List of National Historic Landmarks in Missouri

Laryngeal cleft

  • I've moved this to the right date of creation, as I had duplicated it not seeing it nominated above.--BelovedFreak 17:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Pyridoxamine

Barro negro pottery

Symbol question.svg Almost. Was at 1470 before expansion and current at 6221 characters of prose. Need 7350 to meet 5x. Calmer Waters 03:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I should have it now. Thelmadatter (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
7282. I have decapped Barro Negro; correct me if I'm wrong. Materialscientist (talk) 12:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Dang, I cant find more informtion.... up to you guys if you want to let it slide. Yes it should be decapped.Thelmadatter (talk) 23:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Grace, Replaced

Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories

ALT: ... that although US President Barack Obama is a Christian, al-Qaida chief commander Ayman al-Zawahiri has advanced a theory that Obama secretly "pray[s] the prayers of the Jews"? Stonemason89 (talk) 15:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps we can even leave out the part that says he is a Christian from the hook. And please confirm that there are no BLP concerns with this hook. Ucucha 16:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

1968 in the Vietnam War

Dead VietCong Shock Trooper

*ALT1 ... the week of February 11–17, during 1968 in the Vietnam War saw the most 543 Americans killed in action, and 2547 were wounded.
  • ALT2 ... that during the week of February 11–17, 1968 in the Vietnam War American forces suffered the most casualties with 543 KIA and 2547 wounded?
  • Seems odd to have a dead VC illustrating a hook about dead Americans. Ericoides (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
The hook is about the Americans but the article is about the Vietnam War i.e. there were Vietnamese people in the Vietnam war too not just Americans. -- Esemono (talk) 01:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
  • If you don't mind that, then it's OK. I was just pointing out a disjunction between text and image that bothered me. Of greater concern is that neither hook is grammatically sound. Could you please rewrite them? Ericoides (talk) 15:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Ouch! Embarrassing grammar on my behalf. How about now? -- Esemono (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Hmmm. Still seems a bit convoluted to me. What about something really simple like:
  • ALT3... that 1968 in the Vietnam War saw the most deaths (pictured) of the entire war? Ericoides (talk) 16:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah makes sense that 1968 would have the most deaths total of the war but all I have a citation for is 1968 saw the most American deaths in the Vietnam war. -- Esemono (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • In your lede you say "The year also became the deadliest of the Vietnam war with the 27,915 ARVN soldiers killed and the Americans suffering 16,592 killed." You give cites for these. Should that bit be deleted then? I'm confused. Ericoides (talk) 17:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • I mean I don't know for sure about the North Vietnamese, and Vietcong causalities. Yes for America and its allies it was the deadliest year. -- Esemono (talk) 23:58, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Sorry, that was my stupidity. What about (assuming it's OK to have a category as a link (I'm not sure it is)):
ALT4 ... that 1968 in the Vietnam War was the deadliest year in the war for America and its Vietnamese allies? Ericoides (talk) 08:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Sounds fine but I like my original and ALT2 hook better -- Esemono (talk) 13:32, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough, they are ungrammatical and don't make much sense; I'll let someone else take over. Ericoides (talk) 13:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I think the problem is that 1968 in the Vietnam War does not really work as part of a full sentence. Can we pipe the link?
ALT5 ... that 1968 was the deadliest year in the Vietnam war for the United States and its Vietnamese allies? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
ALT6 ... that 1968, with 16,592 killed, was the deadliest year in the Vietnam war for the United States? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 7

Anna Fitziu

  • Symbol question.svg – Article is substantially unsourced. DYK hook cited to unavailable New York Times article. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Article cleaned up and sourced. -- Esemono (talk) 01:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

World Junior Squash Championships

1922 Vallenar earthquake

  • Symbol question.svgThe only line that mentions deaths (and only from the tsunami) is not cited.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
  • I've added a cite as requested, I've not been able to find any sources that quote numbers for deaths from the earthquake rather than the tsunami - the USGS summary page is all there is. Mikenorton (talk) 22:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Christopher O. Ward

August 8-9, 1993, tornado outbreak

  • ... that a tornado outbreak spawned an F0 tornado that killed 2 people on August 9, 1993? Created by Marcusmax (talk). Self nom at 16:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Thats a much better hook, im fine with it. -Marcusmax(speak) 22:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Filipino cartoon and animation

  • Symbol question.svg Very dubious hook: the only reliable-sourced statement I see in refs is "about 90 percent of American television cartoons are now produced in Asia" (CNN; maybe I missed some other?); I don't see where the second part comes from (Bill Dennis quote?). Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I inserted a ref for the first suggested hook above: see page 7 to 8 of http://www.tholons.com/nl_pdf/150508_philippine_Animation_Industry.pdf - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
How about this hook, ALT 1: ... that most televised American cartoon animations are now developed in Asian countries such as the the Philippines? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
ALT 2: ... that most televised cartoon animations in the U.S. are now Philippine-made because of the Filipinos' familiarity with Western humor? - AnakngAraw (talk) 18:36, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't observe reliable support for the strong statement that most cartoons are produced in Philipines. The pdf above is hardly a reliable source. The ALT1 phrasing is too obscure, even if we replace "such as" with more appropriate "including". Materialscientist (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I now turn to you and perhaps better from others for suggestions. Other editors other than you may have a more positive look on this issue. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I would be happy if you first reflected in the article the split up (even approximate) in cartoon production between the Asian countries, with reliable references (well, we don't need other Asian countries, but both CNN refs you provided so far talk about Asian countries, not Philipines in particular). This would allow developing a justified hook. Materialscientist (talk) 00:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
ALT 3: ... that the first Filipino-made cartoon series for television, Panday, was created by Gerry Garcia in the 1980s? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
ALT 4: ... that the first Filipino full-length animated film, Adarna, was created by Gerry Garcia in the late 1990s? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Added something from the CNN ref, thus suggesting also ALT 5: that approximately 90% of televised cartoon animations in the U.S. are now made in Asia? - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
and ALT 6: ... that American animation companies are setting up more cartoon studios in the Philippines? - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

It seems as you're trying to squeeze out refs that you had whereas I thought the breakthrough should come with new references. ALT5 is not relevant (calling Philipines Asia), ALT6 is too vague. ALT 3: refs says "first animation series" - doesn't sound same as "first cartoon" (individual one). Materialscientist (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

added "series" for ALT 3. Forgot/overlooked that one. - AnakngAraw (talk) 12:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Clara Gregory Baer

  • ... that Clara Gregory Baer's 1895 rules for women's basketball referred to the jump shot, a shot not used in men's basketball until decades later? 5x expanded by Sphilbrick (talk). Self nom at 18:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC) --SPhilbrickT 18:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The prose has only been expanded 3.28x (3103/946). The quotes are not included in the count. Can you expand it some more? --Bruce1eetalk 09:11, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I thought the quotes would count. I'll see if I can add something this evening.--SPhilbrickT 12:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 6

Draft Ron Paul movement